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    10/8/2008

    Making movies is getting a lot easier

    Hey. I'm Eric Doerr and I lead the Program Management team for Digital Memories (which is our geeky way of saying anything related to Photos or Video in Windows Live).

    Some of you have noticed that we introduced a new Windows Live Movie Maker product a few weeks ago as one of the betas in the latest version of the Windows Live suite of PC applications. We've been pretty quiet about this product, so you might ask "where have we been and what have we been doing?" And you might wonder, "Where are all the features?" The answers to these two questions are "working very hard," and "coming soon."

    A little bit of history

    Back when we introduced the first version of Windows Movie Maker (waay back in 2000, when we were all still shooting with Super 8 film and had darkrooms in our basements), who would have guessed how fast the imaging space would become accessible to the mainstream consumer? And the Internet! Who knew how dramatically it would change how we connect with our friends and family and the world?

    A few years ago, we started Windows Live and took a hard look at our consumer products. Movie Maker was an established product with millions of regular users. But looking forward, we knew we had problems. The core of the product hadn't been designed with today's hardware in mind, and getting it to scale to new technologies like HD video was difficult. Although the Windows Vista version of Movie Maker brought significant improvements to performance and stability, we still heard power users give advice like "save your work often." And we also knew that although the product could do amazing things, most users barely scratched the surface of its features. Finally, our customer test showed that too many people were intimidated by the product and had a hard time getting started.

    Clearly, we had to solve these problems in a sustainable way that also gave us the flexibility to respond quickly to evolving scenarios. After a lot of investigation, we decided to start fresh. We were inspired by the video-sharing solutions that were starting to spring up, and we were intrigued by the rapid advancements in graphics hardware, especially the increasingly capable GPUs on the latest video cards. And we were impressed with the results realized by Microsoft Office 2007 and the new "ribbon" user interface model.

    Building a new engine

    The first thing we did is build a new engine (did I mention we're geeks?) to handle more photo and video formats, bigger file sizes, and the ever-increasing mountain of photos and videos captured every day. (I thought I shot a lot of photos and videos until a coworker returned from a 3-week vacation and had taken 24,000 photos and hundreds of video clips!) We built an engine designed to scale to everything happening today, and everything we could imagine throwing at it in the future. If the old Windows Movie Maker engine was a dependable propeller plane, the new Windows Live Movie Maker is more like a jet engine.

    In the current beta, you can't see much of that power, but I want to let you know that it's coming. You'll see lots of cool things become possible that you just couldn't do in Windows Movie Maker (or any other consumer product, for that matter). We're not ready to share a lot of details, but I'll give you one hint: he old Movie Maker engine was 2D. Let's just say that the new engine is better than that.

    Rethinking the interface

    Once we got the engine underway, we started digging in to the user interface (UI). We knew from user research and customer visits that most people didn't have the time, energy or willpower to spend hours putting together home movies. In our user segmentation, we call these users "normal humans" and the other users "people who understand what I mean when I say that it's not looking good for the character in the redshirt.*" So we started building an interface focused on the core things normal humans do. Things like having 5 minutes to spare and wanting to share a set of photos and videos from a birthday party/soccer game/night on the town with mom/family/friends. Over time, we plan to add more features that will let some customers spend more time being creative, but we will always focus on having the primary scenarios that most customers want complete in just a few clicks.

    After a bunch of experimentation, we found that the "ribbon" UI paradigm worked well for the problems we were trying to solve. One way to look at this is that Office invented the "ribbon" to surface the 20 percent that people use 80 percent of the time, leaving the complicated stuff hidden until you need it. With Windows Live Movie Maker, we started by building the 20%, and we're working really hard to add the other 80 percent now. (Trust me, we're good at adding the more complicated bits.)

    As an example, here's the same movie in both versions:

    Windows Movie Maker - v1

    This is Windows Movie Maker. Does it look complicated enough for you?

    Windows Live Movie Maker v2

    This is Windows Live Movie Maker. It's way simpler.

    Big changes:

    • We got rid of the project workspace, the short-term parking area where for files, which you then had to drag to the storyboard or timeline.

    • You always have a movie in the Movie Maker. When you open files, they are automatically in your movie. You can instantly publish or save and be done.

    • We moved all the tasks to the ribbon area, instead of them being scattered on the top and side.

    • We got rid of the timeline. For all its power, having common tasks (like adding a soundtrack) forced a switch from the relatively approachable storyboard to the somewhat scary timeline, which was a problem.

    Number of clicks aren't everything, but just for reference, to create the movie above takes 6 clicks in Windows Live Movie Maker (add 3 if you want to publish to the web) and 11 clicks in Windows Movie Maker (and would take dozens more to publish to the web).

    Embracing the web

    Meanwhile, the Windows Live Photo Gallery folks had been working on a plug-in SDK for sharing video and photos. We think the lines between photos and video are blurring fast, and we know that our customers use lots of different sharing services, and we think that's cool, too. So, we decided to make the plug-in platform support photos and video and use it in both the Photo Gallery and Movie Maker. We're providing one plug-in for Movie Maker (to Soapbox on MSN Video), but we expect to see most of the sharing sites supported fairly quickly.

    This is the first glimpse you'll get of the new Windows Live Movie Maker. It's an earlier product version, compared with the rest of the Windows Live betas, so you'll probably see the beta tag stick around a while longer. Of course we'll keep you posted as we roll out more features. We're just getting started. Stay tuned.

    — Eric Doerr, PM, Movies and Photos

    * I was inspired by Paul Thurrott's recent post on the beta and couldn't resist the redshirt reference. Learn what a redshirt is

    UPDATE: For more info, please see our more recent blog post about Windows Live Movie Maker beta:
    http://windowslivewire.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!2F7EB29B42641D59!35518.entry

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    Matthieuwrote:
    PLEASE! PLEASSSSEEEE bring the timeline back. at least make it an option, this is ridiculous..
    May 30
    Markuswrote:
    To be honest, it was a dumb move to get rid of the timeline. I will agree that the new Movie Maker is more friendly to new comers, but what about your loyal old members? I for one would like to have a timeline, it gives more precision to your work, making it more of a challenge then just setting movies and pictures together and adding sound.
    Can you not add two interfaces instead? Beginners and Advanced? Would be much better.
    May 30
    No namewrote:
    I am having problems with a movie maker movie. When I made it and played it back on my computer it played great when I moved it to a different computer the color was really bad, greens and reds and almost negative. My black screen was neon green... What can I do I have a presentation due on June 2nd. Thanks
    May 28
    May 21
    May 21
    Kirstywrote:
    So, so, so horrid! Its like the brief was to make a movie editing program for 3 year olds, and I don't mean that as a joke. I always used Movie Maker on Vista and found it suited my needs for making our family home videos perfectly. Now, so many necessary features have been dropped, and I don't get why! You NEED a timeline, its laughable not to - for those who may have found the timeline scary at first, there was the storyboard option instead - why get rid of an option like that? Also, for the life of me I can't find how to split movies, i.e. cutting a bits out of the middle - there is only trim from either end, and I would have to copy multiple copies of my original file and go through bits I had already cut out to get what I want. I don't think I'm unusual in the way I create my movies - just take a load of footage then cut out all the boring bits, leaving the good bits with suitable transitions, maybe chucking in a few photos with effects and music. I just can't do it simply anymore with this new version! Also, you used to have an option to zoom in and out on the timeline, and the time was more accurate than just whole seconds as it is now. You could also pause and click frame by frame to get the split exactly where you wanted it - now its click and hope! Adding music is a joke too - I sometimes find a suitable track for movies of my kids (4 mths and 2 yrs, so not a lot of dialogue!) and edit the footage to fit within the length of the track, sometimes lining up the footage with certain parts of the song, and I could easily see at a glance how much footage I needed to cut out on the timeline - now its a guess! Rubbish. An easy tool that I genuinely enjoyed using to preserve my family memories has been senslessly RUINED. I'm looking for an alternative today.
    May 19
    Wow, I rarely make videos (in fact I just attempted to make my 3rd video ever since I've had a computer (since 92'). This new version of Movie Maker has zero options and no timeline. Was this made for a 3 year old? I had to borrow my friends mac who always give me a hard time for using windows. He won't be letting me live that one down for a while.
    May 18
    Michaelwrote:
    I just downloaded windows 7 and went looking for Moviemaker. Not there so went researching for it and found this blog. I dont understand how a person can make a movie without a timeline. It is actually easier to use the timeline than not. Plus I would like my videos and photos to flow smoothly from one scene to another. But without transitions how can you. Everyone wants their videos to look good not like they were just slapped together. I thank you for adding more abilities especially with more video formats but if we cannot cut sort and transition what good does it do us. Dont make me use Jedi Mind tricks on you. Geeks or not, people want some where to mix video, photos and music. I have "normal" friends most of which enjoy being guinea pigs for me when I say here try this. Some have experimented with Windows 7 and new moviemaker. Windows 7 wins, new moviemaker was booed. Maybe Nuff said,
    May 15
    The video editor should be made as simple as possible, but NO Simpler! WLMM is too simple and feature poor to be useful.
    If we followed that logic of "normal people" we would still be using notpad and calc instead of Office, would we? MM had supported reasonable set of of feature for advance users AND AutoMovie mode for noobs. Features that WLMM lacks are basics (DVD output, timeline, effects, transitions custom bitrates, titles etc). Please leave MM in the OS until the new product has at least feature parity.
    May 12
    Ah ok. So it is you i want to suffer a painfull death.

    This program is laughable. Horrid. I just can't understand how you can worsen a product so much.

    Look at imovie. Give me something equal in windows. It's just what i ask. And yet you give me something that doesn't allow me to add effects, cut movie pieces frame by frame, edit the timeline to the second, make transitions, good text overlays, etc, etc.

    Stop simplifying like windows users are dumb.

    You know what i want? I wan't Adobe Premiere power, but taking 5 minutes to learn. Do that.

    Do not make a program that doens't do anything at all.
    May 10
    gazwrote:
    i agree, timeline needs to be added back on,, cant sort my cuts and other stuff with out it.
    May 10
    Alexwrote:
    Hi, I am a teenager and I know how to work Movie Maker with ease and I am not very computer savy. You do need to keep the timeline. I suggest adding two different views Beginner and Advance so that the people know how to use it can use the more advance view. You need to add more features such as video overlay croma key etc.
    Apr. 19
    Alex Finnwrote:
    I've switched to commercial software
    http://www.movavi.com/

    -large selection of formats
    -change audio format
    -read FLV
    -CUE video clips freely
    -insert pictures

    besides, on my machine LIVE movie maker is awful slow, it is AMD Phenom 3-core. no special graphics card, RADEON-type chipset, 128MB.

    small 30 secs. clip takes 2 minutes to save on HDD (fast 250MB SATA drive), 4GB memory.
    it is a low-res AVI, 320x200. pictures inserted are not shown at all.

    It is nice from what I read in the blog entry.

    However, I do not understand the use of this software?!?
    If i compare it to MOVAVI (which costs $60, means, it is commercial software).

    It is unlikely for people to step back in terms of functionality (for instance, MOVAVI WMV files, when published to YOUTUBE, can be viewed in HQ!!!).

    the old WINXP movie maker was not so bad- I still can use it, in an internet shop!

    maybe your new software works fine together with a high-end PCI-E graphics card, with 1GB memory, and which costs additional $500?!? on my machine, which is otherwise not too slow, indeed a freshly build 64BIT system, the LIVE movie maker is not useable at all, not even for small clips.
    Mar. 30
    Joshwrote:
    I wanted to append to my last comment, the reason I'm not a fan of that logic:
    I pay a thousand dollars or so to get a computer that runs Windows 7 smoothly, and all my games, store all my pictures, music, etc, and any other task I throw at it. Then I have to pay another ~$150 to get a Windows license and key. I don't want to have to pay ANOTHER $150 to buy a quality word processor and spreadsheet software, which should really come included with the basic Operating System. I wouldn't mind paying an extra $50 or so on getting a license key to save $100+ dollars on basic software I need for school. Sure there's alternatives. Notepad, MS Works, Gedit, etc, but there is a horrible quality difference between those and MS Office. Works is like you took Office, gave it a different skin, and rebranded it, while taking out half of the features. :(
    Not to mention that the schools all use MS Office, creating compatibility problems.[/off topic]
    Mar. 23
    Joshwrote:
    All I'm going to say about Sean's #5 is: Penguins own fruit.
    Anyway, in regards to the the new Movie Maker:
    It sounds like everyone wants the timeline back. It's obvious you should include at least the option to use the timeline in some form. If you really want people to use YOUR software though, not some third party editor, like Kayden's Sony Vegas, you'll include basic features (timeline!) as well as well as more advanced features, such as a chroma keyer, or neat after-effects. At the very least, you could give us the "MS Works" version of Movie Maker for free with Windows, with so-so features, then anyone interested could pay for the "MS Office" version of Movie Maker, if you catch my drift. I'm not a fan of that logic, but it obviously gets you guys your money and me quality software.
    Mar. 23
    Andradawrote:
    sounds cool
    Mar. 16
    Alan Gratzwrote:
    I came here looking for a way to add a SECOND timeline to Windows Movie Maker, as a way to overlay images on top of video and audio that are already running--and then I read that the new beta version is ELIMINATING the timeline feature! Like the changes made to Windows Picture and Fax Viewer in Vista (yes, I know it's called something else now) you keep "simplifying" things so much that they cease to be functional for me. You're forcing me into wiping your products off my computer and going to the store to pay for a working alternative.
    Mar. 10
    You know what's really mising with all these products and it should be a breeze. I have a number of Power Point Presentations that would really look great with all the PPTX effects if only I had a nice easy clean way to convert a pps to wmv without risking my neck with trojans and spyware, useless video to ppt converters. Come on! I know I can do the bmp thing but it all those animation sets. Let's do it. Adobe Premier does something similar-can't import .flv. Joke, huh? SPER is a great encoder anyway. Also I agree withthe post on the timelines. I use Magix Movie Edit Pro all the time and I've layed 8 leves with particle effects from particleillusion , multiple channels, etc. A must have for the semi-serious movie editor.
    Mar. 10
    I think that in this way WLMV is essentially useless, it is way much complicated for normal people and useless for those who learned the difficult notion of timeline... Personally I will not use it and discourage every people I know from doing it.
    Mar. 10
    Kayden Toonewrote:
    As a video editor, I've often used WMM in the past, and found it to be a good, but not spectacular, program for novices. I've moved to Sony Vegas now, but as I'm running the beta of Windows 7, I figured I'd go ahead and download this version of Live Movie Maker. And my initial reaction was one of disappointment.

    Timelines are the essence of video editors; without it, I'm not sure if you can even CALL it a proper editor. Sure, it simplifies the process for the average consumer, but what about those of us who know what we're doing? Frankly, I think it would be better to reincorporate Timeline into the final product, or least give us an option to enable it. I find the Storyboard really lacklustre when it comes to editing, and no one who knows a bit about making videos should be sentenced to such a useless feature.

    And, as I believed many others stated, it would be great if the old effects and transitions, along with new ones, were put into LMM. I'm sorry, but three just doesn't cut it. I understand that you're trying to appeal to audiences beyond the so-called "experienced editors", but this is just... a HUGE step backwards. Sure, keep the ribbon - I'm cool with that, but do please reconsider adding the Timeline back in, with improved codec support, as well as new effects/transitions and the ability to save videos with an FPS beyond the meagre 30. Until this happens, Sony Vegas will remain my editing program of choice.
    Mar. 5

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